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RIC FLAIR: THE 16-TIME... 18-TIME ... 21-TIME... EXACTLY HOW MANY TIMES HAS HE BEEN WORLD CHAMPION?

by Buck Woodward @ 2008-04-02 17:33:44

16-Time World Champion. 16-Time World Champion. 16-Time World Champion. WWE (and before them, WCW) has billed Ric Flair as a 16-Time World Champion for so long, I've almost started to believe it. I mean, a WWE licensed T-Shirt is now being produced, so it has to be true, right? Even Flair has referred to himself as a 16-Time World Champion in interviews. I should probably just let it go....

Nope, can't do it. I've often argued that Flair is a 21-Time World Champion. Some have said 18 is the number to go by. Then, there are those who have figured out 25 times. 16, in some ways, seems the least number of times you can say the Nature Boy has been World Champion!

So, with that in mine, let's take a look at the record books, starting with the NWA World Heavyweight Title, then the WWF World Heavyweight Title, then the controversial WCW International World Heavyweight Title, and finally the WCW World Heavyweight Title.

Will we figure out an answer by looking at all the title wins, losses, vacancies, awards, etc.? Probably not. But it certainly makes the argument a lot more fun!

PART ONE: THE NWA WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE

September 17, 1981 - Ric Flair defeats Dusty Rhodes in Kansas City, Missouri to win the NWA World Heavyweight Championship.

February 9, 1982 - The Midnight Rider (a suspended Dusty Rhodes under a mask) defeats Ric Flair in Tampa, Florida to win the NWA World Heavyweight Championship.

February 9, 1982 - NWA President Bob Geigel awards the NWA World Heavyweight Championship back to Ric Flair when The Midnight Rider refuses to unmask and reveal his identity.

Dispute: The NWA does not officially recognize that Flair lost the title that night in Florida. However, Flair did lose the match and the title in front of the crowd in Tampa, and the Midnight Rider was announced as the new World Champion before he returned to the locker room where the angle took place that resulted in Flair being given back the title.

January 6, 1983 - Carlos Colon defeats Ric Flair in San Juan, Puerto Rico for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship.

January 21 or January 24, 1983 - Ric Flair defeats Carlos Colon in Puerto Rico or Florida for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship (may be a "phantom change").

Dispute: The NWA does not recognize this title change. Colon did beat Ric Flair on January 6th in San Juan in a match that was advertised as unifying the NWA and WWC World Titles, but there appears to be no solid evidence (or exact date or location) for when Flair won back the belt.

January 15, 1983 - Jack Venano defeats Ric Flair in the Dominican Republic for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship.

January 16, 1983 - Ric Flair defeats Jack Venano in the Dominican Republic for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship (not actual result).

Dispute: The NWA does not recognize this title change. The planned finish on January 15th was that Flair would be trapped in a sleeper, and his arm would be going down for a third time just as the time limit expired, so the match would be called a draw. However, due to fear of a riot from the boisterous crowd, it was treated as if Venano won the belt. The January 16th match was supposed to end with Flair pinning Venano, but due to the atmosphere during the match (and once again, fear of a riot), Flair had Venano pin him instead. Flair took the title belt back with him when he left the country.

February 8, 1983 - Victor Jovica defeats Ric Flair in Couva, Trinidad for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship.

February 9, 1983 - Ric Flair defeats Victor Jovica in Manati, Puerto Rico for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship (may be a "phantom change").

Dispute: The NWA does not recognize this title change.

February 10, 1983 - Harley Race defeats Ric Flair in St. Louis, Missouri for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship.

November 24, 1983 - Ric Flair defeats Harley Race in Greensboro, North Carolina for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship.

March 21, 1984 - Harley Race defeats Ric Flair in Wellington, New Zealand for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship.

March 23, 1984 - Ric Flair defeats Harley Race in Kallang, Singapore for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship.

Dispute: For many years, the NWA did not officially recognize the New Zealand and Singapore title changes. However, the NWA would later "recognize" the changes as being official.

May 6, 1984 - Kerry Von Erich defeats Ric Flair in Irving, Texas for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship.

May, 24, 1984 -Ric Flair defeats Kerry Von Erich in Yokosuka, Japan for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship.

July 25, 1986 - Dusty Rhodes defeats Ric Flair in Greensboro, North Carolina for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship.

August 7, 1986 - Ric Flair defeats Dusty Rhodes in St. Louis, Missouri for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship.

September 25, 1987 - Ronnie Garvin defeats Ric Flair in Detroit, Michigan for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship.

November 26, 1987 - Ric Flair defeats Ronnie Garvin in Chicago, Illinois for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship.

February 20, 1989 - Ricky Steamboat defeats Ric Flair in Chicago, Illinois for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship.

May 7, 1989 - Ric Flair defeats Ricky Steamboat in Nashville, Tennessee for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship.

July 7, 1990 - Sting defeats Ric Flair in Baltimore, Maryland for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship.

January 11, 1991 - Ric Flair defeats Sting in East Rutherford, New Jersey for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship.

Dispute: During this title reign, WCW begins to refer to Ric Flair as the "WCW World Heavyweight Champion". While Flair only had one title belt, it can be argued that Flair is the NWA World Champion and WCW World Champion at this point and they could be considered two separate titles.

March 21, 1991 - Tatsumi Fujinami defeats Ric Flair in Tokyo, Japan for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship.

May 19, 1991 - Ric Flair defeats Tatsumi Fujinami in St. Petersburg, Florida for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship.

Dispute: The NWA recognizes the Fujinami and Flair title changes, but WCW does not, claiming there should have been a DQ prior to the pinfall during the March 21st match. So, you can argue that Flair lost and won the "NWA Title", while never losing the "WCW Title". Even though, again, there was only one championship belt.

July 1991 - WCW strips Ric Flair of the "WCW World Heavyweight Championship" when he leaves the company.

September 8, 1991 - The NWA strips Ric Flair of the NWA World Heavyweight Championship after Flair signs with the World Wrestling Federation. The NWA declares the title vacant, and does not recognize a new champion until August 12, 1992 when Masahiro Chono defeats Rick Rude in a tournament final in Tokyo Japan.

Note: When Ric Flair left WCW, he took the Championship Belt with him, as WCW Vice President Jim Herd opted not to pay back Flair his deposit on the belt. WCW created a new belt for their champion. This move also solidified the split with the NWA, who continued to recognize Flair as their champion up until Flair's WWF debut.

July 18, 1993 - Ric Flair defeats Barry Windham in Biloxi, Mississippi for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship.

September 1993 - WCW pulls out of the NWA, and the NWA no longer recognizes Ric Flair as the NWA World Heavyweight Champion. Flair continues to defend the title belt, which is renamed the "WCW International World Heavyweight Title".

Dispute: Many do not count the win over Windham as a "World Title" change, since WCW already had their own World Championship before bringing in the NWA World Title as well (which had mostly been defended in Japan after being revived in 1992).

PART TWO: THE WWF WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE

January 19, 1992 - Ric Flair wins the Royal Rumble in Albany, New York to win the WWF World Heavyweight Championship.

April 5, 1992 - Randy Savage defeats Ric Flair in Indianapolis, Indiana to win the WWF World Heavyweight Championship.

September 1, 1992 - Ric Flair defeats Randy Savage in Hershey, Pennsylvania to win the WWF World Heavyweight Championship.

October 12, 1992 - Bret Hart defeats Ric Flair in Saskatchewan, Canada to win the WWF World Heavyweight Championship.

PART THREE: THE WCW INTERNATIONAL WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE

September 1993 - WCW pulls out of the NWA, and the NWA no longer recognizes Ric Flair as the NWA World Heavyweight Champion. Flair continues to defend the title belt, which is renamed the "WCW International World Heavyweight Title".

September 19, 1993 - Rick Rude defeats Ric Flair in Houston, Texas for the WCW International World Heavyweight Championship.

June 23, 1994 - Ric Flair defeats Sting in Charleston, South Carolina to win the WCW International World Heavyweight Championship, unifying it with the WCW World Heavyweight Title he already holds.

Disputes: Many don't recognize the WCW International World Heavyweight Championship as being a "World Title". Some that consider it a World Title don't consider Flair unifying it with the WCW World Title as a separate "World Title win".

PART FOUR THE WCW WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE

Note: Please see the NWA World Title section for the 1991 confusion of the NWA World and WCW World Titles.

December 27, 1993 - Ric Flair defeats Vader in Charlotte, North Carolina to win the WCW World Heavyweight Championship.

April 23, 1994 - The WCW World Title is held up when a match between Ric Flair and Ricky Steamboat in Rosemont, Illinois ends in a double-pin.

April 24, 1994 - Ric Flair defeats Ricky Steamboat in Atlanta, Georgia to reclaim the WCW World Heavyweight Championship.

Dispute: Some do not consider the title being held up and Flair regaining it as a separate title victory and instead consider his reign to be uninterrupted.

July 17, 1994 - Hulk Hogan defeats Ric Flair in Orlando, Florida to win the WCW World Heavyweight Championship.

December 27, 1995 - Ric Flair defeats Randy Savage in Nashville, Tennessee to win the WCW World Heavyweight Championship.

January 22, 1996 - Randy Savage defeats Ric Flair in Las Vegas, Nevada to win the WCW World Heavyweight Championship.

February 11, 1996 - Ric Flair defeats Randy Savage in St. Petersburg, Florida to win the WCW World Heavyweight Championship.

April 22, 1996 - The Giant defeats Ric Flair in Albany, Georgia to win the WCW World Heavyweight Championship.

March 14, 1999 - Ric Flair defeats Hulk Hogan in Louisville, Kentucky to win the WCW World Heavyweight Championship.

April 11, 1999 - Diamond Dallas Page defeats Ric Flair in Tacoma, Washington to win the WCW World Heavyweight Championship.

May 15, 2000 - Ric Flair defeats Jeff Jarrett in Biloxi, Mississippi to win the WCW World Heavyweight Championship.

May 22, 2000 - WCW booker Vince Russo strips Ric Flair of the WCW World Heavyweight Title and awards it to Jeff Jarrett.

May 29, 2000 - WCW World Heavyweight Champion Kevin Nash gives the Championship to Ric Flair.

May 29, 2000 - Jeff Jarrett defeats Ric Flair in Salt Lake City, Utah to win the WCW World Heavyweight Championship.

Dispute: During the May 17th edition of Thunder, Ric Flair collapsed following a scheduled tag team match with Arn Anderson vs. David Flair & Daffney. The following Monday on Nitro, Vince Russo took the title off of Flair and gave it to Jarrett. Then Kevin Nash came out and took physical possession of the title belt. This resulted in a match that night between Jarrett and Nash, which was won by Jarrett. On May 24th, Kevin Nash defeated Jarrett and Scott Steiner in a Three Way Match for the Title, then on May 29th gave the belt to Ric Flair, with his reason being that Russo should not have taken it from Flair in the first place. Flair would go on to wrestle Jarrett that night, and lose the belt to him. Some would argue that Flair's title reign should be seen as uninterrupted, others would just point out how stupid WCW booking was at the time.

You can write me at BuckWrestling@aol.com.

Както се вижда от статията, никой не може да определи точно колко пъти Ric Flair е бил световен шампион. Всеки човек може сам да си реши кои титли да зачита, кои царувания да ги брои като едно цяло, кои като две отделни и т.н. Само едно нещо е 100% сигурно - Ric Flair е бил световен шампион повече от 16 пъти!

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Леле майко!!!! Без тва Dispute се получават оклко 50. Загубих им бройката. Ебаси майката. 16 кратен,а? Ма те може би не броят THE WCW INTERNATIONAL WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE. Не знам. Ма само в NWA са повече от 20. Абе,бизнвс. Кво си говорим...

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Без тва Dispute се получават оклко 50. Загубих им бройката.

Не са 50. Сигурно си броил всички дати, а в статията освен датите, на които Ric е печелил титлата, са включени и датите, на които я е губил.

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martinesko36

Хм може да е 21 пъти световен шампион.Всъщност той бе един от най-великите кечисти без който кеча би станал неинтересен.За жалост повечето от тези велики кечисти си отидоха и никога повече няма да се върнат.Аз се надявам обаче да има други, които да ги заместят и кеча все още да си е нещото като преди.Но той няма да е както преди, защото преди са били кечистите, които са го правили велико.А сега аз наистина се надявам да има такива кечисти, които да ги заместят и кеча да не е като преди, а да е още по-хубав.Аз се надявам това силно да стане.

П.С Благодаря на всички тези велики кечисти, които жертаваха всичко само за да ни забавляват.А сега ги няма, и без тях кеча никога няма да е както преди.ПОКЛОН ПРЕД ВАС.

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Не са 50. Сигурно си броил всички дати, а в статията освен датите, на които Ric е печелил титлата, са включени и датите, на които я е губил.

Eми,да. Оказа се,че аз наред съм броил всичко! То се иска мозък за тая работа.... :P

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Shawn_Michaels

Бе WWE ги водят 16 като не признават някои от царуванията му и щом Рик се е съгласил мисля всичко е okay,иначе да ясно е че е печелил повече титли аз се учудих преди като казах 16-пъти нали още по BTV,защото до тогава тея дето ги знаех бяха към 19 :)

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corruptedshadow

" Само едно нещо е 100% сигурно - Ric Flair е бил световен шампион повече от 16 пъти!"

Добро утро ;]

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^ Извинявай, ама да съм казвал, че това нещо не го знаех преди това? Статията я пуснах понеже за първи път виждам нещата да са описани толкова подробно. Преди това съм гледал само някакви title history-та и от тях е доста по-трудно да си изясниш нещата, особено за царувания, които са протичали по едно и също време.

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corruptedshadow

Мда, просто по последното ти изречение така ми се стори... както и да е, sorry.

A статията наистина си доста подробна, прочетох я на 2 пъти дори, че ме мързеше. Според титлите му трябва да са 21 :)

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А някой знае ли, че Рик Флеър е просто един имитатор с много, много задкулисни интриги? ;)

Ако не е бил оригиналния Nature boy, за този можеше и да не сме чували....Така, че по-леко с определенията кой е най-добрия и кой най-великия.

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corruptedshadow

Buddy Rogers

Mда той беше един от най - известните кечистите в началото на television era. Дори и Figure Four Leglock, Flair е взаимствал от него.

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Това си се знае официално. Всичко е взаимствано от Бъди Роджърс. Даже и gimmick-a. Но вие да не мислите,че не го е попитал. НЕ мисе вярва ей така да вземе изцяло негоя образ без да го попита. И Figure 4 leglock също е взаимствано от него.

П.С.

His performances inspired generations of professional wrestlers, such as "Nature Boy" Ric Flair, who used Buddy Rogers' nickname, as well as his look, his attitude, and his finishing hold, the Figure Four Leglock.

Ето ви линк към цялата статия за 'The Nature Boy' Buddy Rogers - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Nature_Boy%22_Buddy_Rogers ;)

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Shawn_Michaels

Бе по принцип това е много спорна работа,Бъди Роджърс се е биел още средата на миналия век Флеър като не е бил роден,така че не могат да се правят такива сравнения.Просто кеча се популизира повече,покрай това с навлизането на телевизията повече хора имат достъп до него и така нататък.

То ако става въпрос и Хълк е откраднал гимика на Superstar Billy Graham,направо 1 към 1 същото може да се каже и за Флеър и се получава,така че точно двама от най-великите кечисти са плагиати :D

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Между другото, навремето докато не ми беше починал един от любимите форуми се коментираше там, че Роджърс е предал "the Nature Boy" gimmick-а на Флеър и се спекулираше на кой пък той ще го предаде след като се пенсионира. Най-вероятният "приемник" на същия се очакваше да бъде Кени Дайкстра. Явно обаче нещо идеята е отхвърлена или де да знам...

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Аз съм чувал, че са 22, пък кой знае...Той даже и Рик сигурно им е изгубил бройката :D

Сега като направих проверка ги изкарах 23 - 2x WWE, 8x WCW, 10xNWA + 3 пъти спечелване на NWA титлата при ивенти на Карибите, които не са официални. Ето линк http://titlehistories.com/NWA_World_Heavyweight_Title.htm

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